About what cross said...

**Heart** · 10-27-2011, 10:37 PM

remember what cross said in one of the flash backs? "at first he didn't call himself Allen, I should have noticed that mistake sooner" what do you think he was talking about? what was the mistake? O.O questions... no answers YET

**Mikki Walker** · 10-31-2011, 04:15 PM

Which chapter was that?

**Heart** · 10-31-2011, 08:16 PM

D.Gray-Man 203 - Read D.Gray-Man 203 Online - Page 16 <- link to that site
chapter 203 page 16
ps. IT'S OCTOBER 31st HERE! HAPPY HALLOWEEN EVERYBODYYYYYY

**Mikki Walker** · 11-02-2011, 08:52 PM

Thanks.

Honestly, I'm just as clueless as you, but I know he used to be called Red before taking on the name Allen, so that could be where the "at first he didn't call himself Allen" part he's talking about. It was in D.Gray-Man Reverse Volume 3, so the info should be okay, but I've no idea what the mistake could be -_-'

**Heart** · 11-02-2011, 09:58 PM

hmm, but why would he change his name to Allen? there was no need to protect his identity.... oh! waht if Allen is the heart as in the innocence?

too many holes in that theory but it's all I can think of

wierd... allen as a innocence -_- my image of the heart was just busted

**kalla** · 11-03-2011, 10:06 PM

Well, Red isn't exactly a real name; it's more of a nickname the people around him gave him. But people would need to call him some name.

I see a few different takes on it:

1. Allen was unaware of Nea's presence and perhaps Nea had more control than Cross realized at the time they met. After Mana's death and spending time with Cross, "Allen" started to become the dominant one but Nea was still always there--perhaps even letting Allen be in control.

2. It could have been Appocryphos showing a falsehood to Allen intentionally to steer Allen in the "right" direction. The panels before that imply that Appocryphos wants "Allen" to be left behind or forgotten. Showing something like that to someone who is already walking a thin line with his sanity, could very well tip them over the edge and allow the other "personality" to take over.

Perhaps Appocryphos is tainted in some way or not truly working for the innocence. Or perhaps, like the Earl and Nea, the innocence itself has ulterior motives we do not yet know.

3. It could be something more menial. Perhaps Cross just meant Allen's state of mind not being completely...stable. It could be that he just felt he should have realized how unsure Allen was of himself and how he fit in the world, leaving him to be easily manipulated and a good candidate for possession of a Noah--or anything else.

4. Perhaps it is the opposite in that Allen now calling himself by his name means he has established his identity and the plans that Cross thought would be set in motion will likely fall apart because of this "new personality." If Cross truly made plans with Nea, Allen developing a strong mind and will would definitely give problems if Nea needed to control or manipulate Allen to achieve his goals. Perhaps Appocryphos was showing Allen this, true or false, to try to break down his personality so Nea could gain more control. Or perhaps to give Allen more fuel to fight Nea with...it's hard to tell since we don't know what the plans Nea has entail.

5. Did Mana give him the name? He was obviously using the name while he was with Mana and if Allen adopted it as his own, Cross could be referring to Mana's influence. Again, the mistake may be in that it would hinder or prevent the plans Cross and Nea had created. Perhaps Mana was part of why Nea failed the first time in fighting the Earl and now Cross is recognizing the same will that could prevent it again. But again, we don't yet know all of Nea's plans to really hazard more than speculation.

**EhBrownie10** · 11-23-2011, 01:37 PM

Well, I have no idea what the mistake is, but I do know how Allen got his name.
In the novel series 'D-Gray-man: Reverse' (written by Kaya Kizaki) which in the 3rd chapter describes Allen's background in the circus, and in the ending of that chapter the story describes it.

Allen - at that time called Red - tried to get revenge for Mana's circus-dog - called Allen -, since it was the first being which ever seemed to care for him at the circus. Another clown killed that dog out of jealousy since the audience liked Mana's show better. Mana didn't want to get revenge for his lost partner, so when 'Red' tried to hit the other clown with his left arm, Mana stepped in and took the hit.
The novel then says: "Only one night, and Mana had changed entirely."
Then it say's that Mana forgot who he was searching for - his brother - and 'Red' tries desperately to remind him of it, but Mana seems to have lost it and the novel ends like this:

"Red stares at Mana with a helpless look. Quietly, something white drifts down. It’s snow—
From above the two of them, falling quietly, collecting on their bodies. Snow, which can turn everything white— “Mana...” Mana, cannot revert back anymore.
He had this feeling.
Tears fall from Red’s eyes.
Mana stretches out his hand slowly.
“Don’t be sad...if you’re sad, the Earl will come.”
He says with an empty voice as he rubs away Red’s tears.
“Allen is really warm. And, strange? Why have you grown so big? And you don’t have a tail as well.”
He mixed me up with the dog.
Red had to admit while feeling totally hopeless.
Mana...
The person who was destroyed by me.
“Take me with you Mana. I’ll tell you, what you have forgotten...I’ll remember it for you....please. Take me with you...”
This is my reason for living.
Mana...playing in the snowy night with your dog, then going out to the streets with you yesterday, it was the first time I felt “happiness” together with someone else.
So, this time, it’s my turn. To make you happy. I will become your Allen.
“We’ll be together always, Allen.” Mana says innocently, these words hurt Red’s heart very much. “...That’s true, we’ll always be together...” Then Red and Mana walked towards the snow. Always, the two of them, together. This was the day Red, the young boy, became Allen. Allen’s story will start from now on. Meeting the priest again, travelling with a golem, becoming an Exorcist—that will be another story."

In the afterword Hoshino Katsura says:
"The one that gave me the most trouble while creating (laugh) is Mana and Allen’s story.
Allen’s past is still a total mystery, and was practically not talked about in the original work, and even the more mysterious Mana makes an appearance...it might be really great to turn it into a novel, I started working on it with such relaxed feelings, but~it was still really hard.
Even though the meeting between Mana and Allen is a simple story, but in order to integrate more mysteries related to the original work, this time Kizaki-san suggested for the first time to produce a work with more structure and collaboration."

So yeah... Sorry for rambling, I know this thread is old, but yeah.. Sorry! ^^; I hope I haven't blabbered a lot of information that people already knew! Which I probably have.. Hahah...