D.Gray-Man Manga Chapter 204 Discussion & Chapter 205 Predictions

[Mina]

I read this chapter like 4 times already. It's amazing. I don't know, but it's so cool how Tyki and Road are safing allen, and in the end all three flee together!
And Allen was so cool when he said that to the Innocence (I would puke or something) Allen rulz!
I wonder if Allen will go all the way to the other Noah... and maybe he will meet Lavi there?

[Crown_Clown]

Same here bro...

But still I get this messed up feeling when I think about the situations regarding Kanda and Allen's boss, Marian Cross. I wonder if there is even any hope at all for the two of them. Furthermore, I was hoping for some more interaction between Lenalee and Allen in particular. They haven't had a decent conversation ever since the horrendous and messy fights they have been involved in. But I'm glad that at least now I'm quite sure that friendship and chemistry between the teammates will be greatly tested as well between the various characters. Now the relationship between Tiki, Road and Allen. It was amusing to see that his ex-killers were risking to save their lives for Allen when the 'Grim Reaper' in the Noah's book, provoked during his resurface.

[Freakanzoy]

I somehow have the feeling that Kanda's and Cross' story hasn't really ended yet, in particular with Cross.
There is too much left unknown for him to be really gone, for example what went on with him, Mana and the 14th.
I don't know whether Apocryphos removed his body from the room he attacked him in after the Order discovered it but it seems very fishy.

Kanda, I'm not so sure of. It would seem rather odd to kill a major character like that although his story and background have been much more detailed than Cross'.
I can't remember whether you actually see him die or crumble away since it's been ages since I read that chapter.

I love seeing how friendly Tyki and Road are with Allen though. They've always had that kinda thing.
I'd almost wish they go over to the "good" side since they care so much about Allen and I'm a huge Tyki fan anyway.
Then again, the good side (the Order) is divided between the Exorcists and supporting staff and the high ranks (e.g. the Pope) who seem more occupied with winning the war no matter how many people lose their life.

One chapter a month really isn't enough to satusfy my curiosity.

[Rhode]

I'd love to get into theories with you guys about this chapter and what could happen next, but I'll do that later *in a rush*

Just thought I'd let you guys know what Jump is on a break next week and the next issue of Jump SQ (Claymore, DGM) will be delayed by 2-3 weeks.

Although, that might mean that we get 205 around 15-20th then only a week until 206?

Just wanted you guys to know.

[Art of Music]

It's very interesting to see how the tides have turned for Allen Walker. I'm astound by how he hasn't had a break down from all the things he knows about his master, him being a noah, the death of Cross (i still like to believe he's alive), Kanda's past, the 3rd exorcists, trying to save the souls of others and also trying understand and know what the right thing to do is. He's the one character that has been through most and it's not even his fault. The thing that gets me really mad is the people in charge of the Order who like to play God (by how they judge Allen and chose who gets to live and die). They abuse their authority almost making the Noah seems like the good guys here. After they did just save Allen from that thing, whatever you like to call it. He can obviously take on a Noah very easily.

Which now this brings up a few questions. Why did the Crown Clown stop and decided to be "one" with that guy or thing (recalls "innocence can't hurt me. It wants to be one with me too") ? Also, why are Tyky and Road saving Allen? Even Road took the shot for him to save him (proving that this guy can kick serious butt). What did the Earl dream about? Why is Allen fleeing with them? Also this brings up something that I'm not sure was discussed or I just can't recall the reason, why is the Earl afraid of the heart?

We are about to see more tension than there already is. And lots of character building.

[NathanOfLight]

Which now this brings up a few questions. Why did the Crown Clown stop and decided to be "one" with that guy or thing (recalls "innocence can't hurt me. It wants to be one with me too") ? Also, why are Tyky and Road saving Allen? Even Road took the shot for him to save him (proving that this guy can kick serious butt). What did the Earl dream about? Why is Allen fleeing with them? Also this brings up something that I'm not sure was discussed or I just can't recall the reason, why is the Earl afraid of the heart?

We are about to see more tension than there already is. And lots of character building.

There are certainly a TON of questions.

D.Gray-Man has had some pacing issues in my mind, and I've found myself wondering many times "Why is the author doing it this way? It's so confusing!" - but lately the character depth and mysteries are piquing my interest, for sure.

I have a couple of things I'd like to say that are puzzling me.

1) General Cross.

He always seems to know things, kind of like the Urahara of the D.Gray-Man world, lol.

It has felt like the things he did were with a purpose... Firstly, he kept Allen at a distance but yet when the time came, he believed in Allen a lot. Cross knew that Allen was the musician who could move the Ark, and even that Allen saw the 14th in the mirror. I just have to wonder how on earth he had such knowledge.

So when the knock came on his door, he waited there - which isn't like him to be sitting alone in his room when there were cute woman around, at least in my opinion. And when the knocks continued, he pulled out his gun in preparation.

And when his attacker came in, gun to his head, he smiled... There was one bead of sweat on his face, but he didn't really seem that scared.

Cross had mentioned he wanted to talk to Allen, but I have to wonder why he did it in front of Levellier/Louverier (however you spell his name). With his abilities, he could've easily slipped away and talked to Allen alone. The higher-ups had already doubted Allen's loyalty, and Cross' information about him being the 14th furthered their distrust of him - so what was he trying to do? Perhaps he willingly gave up his innocence somehow?


2) Innocence.

It's been bothering me for a while, but Innocence isn't exactly pure and innocent at all! I mean, it's supposed to be given to special apostles appointed by God, right? But they have little choice in deciding if they wanna becoming an exorcist or not.

In the case of Suman: Yes, he betrayed his comrades, but here is where things get odd: Instead of his innocence just destroying him or removing its power from him, the innocence goes nuts. He turns into a Fallen One, and while that form allowed him to destroy a ton of demons, its sole purpose seemed to be making him suffer... and in the process, a village was destroyed.

Now why on earth would a holy power which seems to be able to think on its own at times unload its power and take out innocent humans, the ones the holy power is supposed to exist to protect?




Apoch, Mr. Grim Reaper (to the Noahs), mentioned he didn't want Levellier "to know yet", so he obviously knew that guy. What was he trying to hide from him? Also, he told Allen he'd become "a beautiful exorcist" - so for some reason he had been watching Allen, but didn't make a move on him earlier before Allen was guarded after the Ark incident.

His methods were... questionable, to say the least. He could've easily gotten in there due his Cardinal status/form, and talked to Allen and explained what was going on, that he was Innocence given form (and proved it), then said he'd merge with Allen to have him become more powerful, etc. But no, instead he spied, then hurt the guards and went to try to merge with Allen by force.

Also, he came in when Allen sort of fainted, after thinking he wanted to ask the 14th what he was after. Apoch said not to let him sleep, and I think he was just trying to prevent him from asking the 14th anything.



The Noahs hated the 14th, he betrayed them. His preventative measures allowed Allen and the other exorcists to live, and to gain control of their own Ark, which really made the Earl visibly angry - a real show of his emotions.

This has me wondering: then why did the Earl say he wanted to be beside the 14th, and why would the Noahs protect Allen from the Grim Reaper man? They even witnessed him say he wanted to consume Allen and that it'd prevent the 14th from awakening - exactly what we'd think the Noahs would want - but yet they protected anyways. Sure, they might have to one day fight the heart, but at least the 14th would be gone.

The final piece of this is Tim: Tim knew of Road's attempt to harm Allen, and what Tyki did to Allen... and yet, at the end of Chapter 204, he carries both Allen & Road and attempts to save them. Tyki grabs Tim and Tim doesn't seem to resist or show negative emotions: this seems like an interesting tidbit.

Makes me think the "third side" of the war has to do with a fight against both the demons and the innocence or the maker/controller of the innocence. Because Noah was a favored person in the Bible, he was given the chance to survive while the world was purged: Why, then, did one of the Noahs contain his rage? That's one of the last things you'd think he'd have had.

I also found it odd that the Level 4 demons/akuma look like angels. I feel that this has an importance significance, somehow.



Long reply, I know. This just has me thinking a lot, lol.
Edit: I'm really interested in learning Japanese and just started, so if anyone has any advice, please let me know! I'm also a novice graphic designer, and if anyone here has anything to teach, I'd love that as well.

[Freakanzoy]

There are certainly a TON of questions.

D.Gray-Man has had some pacing issues in my mind, and I've found myself wondering many times "Why is the author doing it this way? It's so confusing!" - but lately the character depth and mysteries are piquing my interest, for sure.

I have a couple of things I'd like to say that are puzzling me.

1) General Cross.

He always seems to know things, kind of like the Urahara of the D.Gray-Man world, lol.

It has felt like the things he did were with a purpose... Firstly, he kept Allen at a distance but yet when the time came, he believed in Allen a lot. Cross knew that Allen was the musician who could move the Ark, and even that Allen saw the 14th in the mirror. I just have to wonder how on earth he had such knowledge.

So when the knock came on his door, he waited there - which isn't like him to be sitting alone in his room when there were cute woman around, at least in my opinion. And when the knocks continued, he pulled out his gun in preparation.

And when his attacker came in, gun to his head, he smiled... There was one bead of sweat on his face, but he didn't really seem that scared.

Cross had mentioned he wanted to talk to Allen, but I have to wonder why he did it in front of Levellier/Louverier (however you spell his name). With his abilities, he could've easily slipped away and talked to Allen alone. The higher-ups had already doubted Allen's loyalty, and Cross' information about him being the 14th furthered their distrust of him - so what was he trying to do? Perhaps he willingly gave up his innocence somehow?


2) Innocence.

It's been bothering me for a while, but Innocence isn't exactly pure and innocent at all! I mean, it's supposed to be given to special apostles appointed by God, right? But they have little choice in deciding if they wanna becoming an exorcist or not.

In the case of Suman: Yes, he betrayed his comrades, but here is where things get odd: Instead of his innocence just destroying him or removing its power from him, the innocence goes nuts. He turns into a Fallen One, and while that form allowed him to destroy a ton of demons, its sole purpose seemed to be making him suffer... and in the process, a village was destroyed.

Now why on earth would a holy power which seems to be able to think on its own at times unload its power and take out innocent humans, the ones the holy power is supposed to exist to protect?




Apoch, Mr. Grim Reaper (to the Noahs), mentioned he didn't want Levellier "to know yet", so he obviously knew that guy. What was he trying to hide from him? Also, he told Allen he'd become "a beautiful exorcist" - so for some reason he had been watching Allen, but didn't make a move on him earlier before Allen was guarded after the Ark incident.

His methods were... questionable, to say the least. He could've easily gotten in there due his Cardinal status/form, and talked to Allen and explained what was going on, that he was Innocence given form (and proved it), then said he'd merge with Allen to have him become more powerful, etc. But no, instead he spied, then hurt the guards and went to try to merge with Allen by force.

Also, he came in when Allen sort of fainted, after thinking he wanted to ask the 14th what he was after. Apoch said not to let him sleep, and I think he was just trying to prevent him from asking the 14th anything.



The Noahs hated the 14th, he betrayed them. His preventative measures allowed Allen and the other exorcists to live, and to gain control of their own Ark, which really made the Earl visibly angry - a real show of his emotions.

This has me wondering: then why did the Earl say he wanted to be beside the 14th, and why would the Noahs protect Allen from the Grim Reaper man? They even witnessed him say he wanted to consume Allen and that it'd prevent the 14th from awakening - exactly what we'd think the Noahs would want - but yet they protected anyways. Sure, they might have to one day fight the heart, but at least the 14th would be gone.

The final piece of this is Tim: Tim knew of Road's attempt to harm Allen, and what Tyki did to Allen... and yet, at the end of Chapter 204, he carries both Allen & Road and attempts to save them. Tyki grabs Tim and Tim doesn't seem to resist or show negative emotions: this seems like an interesting tidbit.

Makes me think the "third side" of the war has to do with a fight against both the demons and the innocence or the maker/controller of the innocence. Because Noah was a favored person in the Bible, he was given the chance to survive while the world was purged: Why, then, did one of the Noahs contain his rage? That's one of the last things you'd think he'd have had.

I also found it odd that the Level 4 demons/akuma look like angels. I feel that this has an importance significance, somehow.



Long reply, I know. This just has me thinking a lot, lol.
Edit: I'm really interested in learning Japanese and just started, so if anyone has any advice, please let me know! I'm also a novice graphic designer, and if anyone here has anything to teach, I'd love that as well.

Brilliant summary!

1) I think we can all agree something very fishy is going on with Cross and we're all wondering where he got his info. I don't have any new thoughts to add to this :P

2) Hmm, you know, the Innocence and Suman cases have bothered me as well for exactly the same reasons you put.
Although I wouldn't find it strange that it does get out of control and as such loses sight of the things it should destroy (Akuma) and the ones it's supposed to protect (humans).
It seems as if Suman was being punished for making a very wrong decision but at the same time it's a bit of an extreme punishment that affects way more people than just him and that strikes me as odd.

I don't think that Innocence is purely controlled by God though, kinda in the same way as humans. Supposedly God created them just like he created Innocence but humans have a mind and will of their own and can make good or bad choices through those.
There's always a bad apple in the bunch.
Perhaps it's the same for Innocence?

3) Apochryphos. Hmm. The way he talks about Allen growing up into a beautiful Exorcists would suggest to me that he has waited until Allen and Crown Clown have grown and evolved to become more stronger.
I mean, if I were him I'd also rather merge with someone who is close to or has reached his full potential rather than when they're unexperienced.

I can't say why he would want to though. What benefit besides surpressing the 14th is there? While defeating the Noah is the key reason as to why Innocence exists it's like Apoch is handling more for his own gain, to become more powerful.
But if he's the Grim Reaper to Noah, why hasn't he defeated any of them? Why has he been hiding for so long?

4) Tim. I think he's not resisting to Road and Tyki at the moment because he knows they're Allen's only chance at survival right now as the Order is out to get him. Allen can't go back there and with the 14th lingering at the surface to take over it's not a good idea for him to be wandering about alone, plus Tim cares a lot about him.

And perhaps Cross has told him more about the Noah and the 14th.
Man, I'm so curious as to where they're taking Allen I can hardly wait for the next chapter, although that will probably only raise more questions than it answers!

5) Noah, like you said. Maybe I missed this bit but I don't believe it's ever explained why the Noah hate God? Yes, it's said that they can't forget their hate towards God and Innocence but where did that come from?
Or do I just need to reread a chapter where it's explained (it's been so long, I do forget some stuff lol)?

Ah, speculations, speculations, it does help inbetween waiting for what happens next

[Mina]

Ok. After reading all your thoughts I think I must agree.

Is it normal for a Golem to have such emotions like 'liking someone'ẞ I mean, the normal Golems from the Order, the black ones, just seem to be devices. But Tim is different. OK, he was created by Cross, but isn't Relo also a Golemẞ I wonder if there is a connection between Relo and Tim. And why is Tim growing while eating. (Even though it is quite funny watching Allen and Tim eating together)

So you all wonder where Tyki and Road will bring Allenẞ Is it not likely that they will go to where the other Noah areẞ I mean the chapter before, we saw one of the Noah (forgot his name) interrogating Lavi about the 14th. Even though they don't want the 14th to be awoken, they still have to protect him.

[Hypochondriacal]

Is it normal for a Golem to have such emotions like 'liking someone'? I mean, the normal Golems from the Order, the black ones, just seem to be devices. But Tim is different. OK, he was created by Cross, but isn't Relo also a Golem? I wonder if there is a connection between Relo and Tim. And why is Tim growing while eating. (Even though it is quite funny watching Allen and Tim eating together)

So you all wonder where Tyki and Road will bring Allen. Is it not likely that they will go to where the other Noah are? I mean the chapter before, we saw one of the Noah (forgot his name) interrogating Lavi about the 14th. Even though they don't want the 14th to be awoken, they still have to protect him.

On the topic of Tim, I read the theory on him being one of Cross' modified akuma, which makes sense to a degree. I mean, Cross was/is capable of modifying akuma, so why wouldn't he modify one to help out his apprentice? (Because he secretly cares) But then, would Tim have reacted or self-destructed or something from being around Noah or other Akuma?

Maybe Cross just REALLY modified his golem. He wasn't doing work anyways, right? What else was he doing besides drinking? Or maybe he combined an akuma and a golem somehow... I'm getting pretty far-fetched here, so let's get back on the topic of chapter 205.

Excitementexcitement. Is it really going to be a few weeks late? I think I might have to die.

I thought right from the get-go that Allen was going to bust out with the help of the Noahs and then meet up with Lavi. Maybe not meet up exactly, but rather cross paths with. I haven't quite thought it all out in detail, but maybe something along the lines of:
Allen has nowhere else to go but with the Noahs. Road needs to recover, Tyki takes her back to the Noahs' "house" and Allen follows. When they get there Allen would see Lavi and Bookman, notice something's up with Lavi, and go to try and help him but be stopped by the other Noahs when they inform him of the parasites. Allen will be helpless, and watch as some Bookman/Lavi-centric stuff goes down. (Allen will learn about the Bookmen having previously been associated with the Noahs and react...somehow)

This is as far as I've gotten.

Not very good, and I'm sure everybody's thought of it, really, but I thought I would post it just in case.

EDIT: Kanda is alive, by the way. Hoshino has said so. (:

[NathanOfLight]

On the topic of Tim, I read the theory on him being one of Cross' modified akuma, which makes sense to a degree. I mean, Cross was/is capable of modifying akuma, so why wouldn't he modify one to help out his apprentice? (Because he secretly cares) But then, would Tim have reacted or self-destructed or something from being around Noah or other Akuma?

I really get the feeling that Tim belonged to the 14th.

For starters, Tim is a yellow golem whereas the order's ones are black with an eye. Not to mention, Tim eats food (I think he ate a sandwich in the ark).

Secondly, Tim had the musical score in him, which he projected by opening his mouth... and out it came!

So I think Tim belonged to the 14th, or maybe had something to do with Mana as well. That would explain how General Cross knew some of the things he does.