allen the fallen one?

[Person1]

shouldn't Allen be a fallen one as he turned mana into an akuma therefore he helped the earl and obviously betrayed innocence? this makes no sense

[Incognito]

I don't think Allen's innocence was activated before Mana was made into an Akuma.

That, and Allen's just special all around. I mean, don't you think that, um, being a Noah would kinda be betraying the innocence just an eeentsy bit? Just sayin'.

[addenza]

Hmm. I think that as long as the innocence and the host have the same will, the innocence won't condemn the host. Innocence probably doesn't care about the side that the host is on, so long as the host doesn't betray the side that s/he has joined.

Even though Allen is also the host for the fourteenth, his desire to save both humans and akuma has not yet disappeared. And neither did he betray his friends for fear of dying when Tyki pierced a hole in his heart.

[Orpheus 2]

That may be the case. Even if Allen will awaken as the 14th, he will not become a fallen one as long as he stays true to his goals. You could say the awakening would Allen's final test of his resolve to save both Akuma and humans.

[azuraai]

I think that even if he does turn into the 14th as long as he doesn't betray his belief and the order for his own good than the innocence would never turn against him... as they say "he is the most loved by God"... so i guess he gets some leeway...

[Manda]

A fallen is one who has fallen from God while in sync with an Innocence. Allen, I do believe, will never do this and therefore never become a fallen. The Innocence was gifted to man by God is order to protect himself from evils unleashed by the darkness. Therefore, in order to wield an Innocence, you need to have a pure heart, and faith in the lord that has gifted you with the ability to wield this weapon. If you remember back to when that one Exorcist "fell", it was because he denounced the name of god to try and save himself from death. At which point the innocence punished him, and abandoned him. This was the wrath of God.

Besides, I am doubtful that Allen will ever "awaken" as a Noah, considering the memories were simply implanted in him by Mana, which had been gifted to Mana by the 14th. Or if I remember correctly, anyway. I don't know if this alone has the power to dispute the Noah, since most of the Noah were awaken simply by being approached by the Earl. Mmm..Fishy.

Allen has an extremely powerful will, and a strong desire to protect his friends and family. Now, this doesn't stop Tiki, even tho tiki has a strong love for his companions, but Allen is a different case. He knows the Earl, he has fought along side the exorcists, and has a pure heart. These are redeeming qualities reflected in the eyes of God, not that of the Noah family. This might very well be enough to protect him from the Noah family consuming him.

As for betraying the Innocence by being a Noah, well. In the beginning of the story, I remember a refference to Allen being abandoned by his mother because he was born with a deformed arm. This was because he was born with the parasitic innocence. He did not meet Mana for quite some time afterwards, and would therefore not be a Noah at the time that he recieved the memories of the 14th.

[KidWicked13]

When he turned Mana, he wasn't an Accomadtor, since his Innocence activated for the first time when it killed Mana. Or that's my logic anyway...

Also, he didn't technically betray anyone. Suman flat out sold the Exorcists out to the Noah to live. The only other possible Fallen One was/is Cross and Cross is by any standards a pretty morally grey character anyway. But he stayed true to his personal goals and the Innocence still abandoned him so I feel like the Accomadtor loses his Innocence and falls as a result of abandoning God/the Innocence's purpose.

I mean, the Innocence isn't so much a weapon to protect as a weapon to kill the Noah and Akuma. Look at the way it acts: Allen's Innocence kills Mana and attempts to kill the third Exorcists of its own accord. It controls him to keep fighting against the Lvl 4. Lenalee's responds to her desire to continue fighting. Mugen consumes Kanda's life force so he can kill Skin.

So I feel like Innocence isn't God's gift to humans, but God's punishment for the Noah/Dark Matter users.

[nekoyakisoba]

well, it sounds like nobody thinks allen will become a fallen, but i have to ask:
don't you want it to happen?

i don't think we'll be seeing it anytime soon, but i think allen turning into a fallen as a result of the whole noah deal would be pretty awesome.

i mean, he did tell everyone to kill him if he became a noah, and it looks like that might happen. if that's the case, he should go out with a bang and go "fall".

if the main character is impervious to all this stuff that kills everyone else, it's no fun anyway. i love allen, but i really really really wanna see him die, just 'cause if he does, it'll be the best ending to a manga i've seen since higurashi.
then again, if you've read higurashi... well, you know why i love it so much.

[KidWicked13]

Allen becoming a Fallen would be too easy. Yes, it would be dramatic at the time, but what after the resolution of that particular story arc? I don't think that the Suman segment was some kind of foreshadowing; it seems to me like the author was intending to introduce some more grey morality into the situation. The series seems focused on showing that such black and white morality comes with many drawbacks and pitfalls. suman's plight and the references to the awful experiments the Order preformed served to underscore that the people we've known as virtuous pillars of integrity may not be so noble. That even the noblest intentions can lead one astray. That some very deep evil can come from a very virtuous intent.

That maybe the Akuma and the Noah aren't exactly the monsters we've been lead to believe...