Chapter 197 and 198

[SamIsAnExorcist]

If you have not already read chapter 197, go to Mangastream.com



Alright. I finished reading chapter 197 a few days ago and the end had me totally confused, worried, and shocked. I mean, what was with Allen going all Noah-like? Did the Earl know this was coming? I mean, based on how he kept calling Allen the 14th and telling him to come with him. Plus, it looks like he's dead! Did Alma or Kanda actually end up killing him? Ah, I know these are simply questions but I would like someone to talk with about them. Thanks! I think Allen may even be saved by the 14th, making him the Noah. But, if that does happen, he won't be evil, as the 14th was the Noah who betrayed the rest of the clan.

[Rhode]

I dont think Allen's dead - kinda.
Noah are pretty stubborn and wont die easily. Although - Kanda did use his innocence.
I think the Earl was there to pressure the situation. I think he knew the requirements for the 14th to become the most domminant consiousness.
For instance - the Noah gene has been triggered due to the 14th's memories and the Player abilities. Now, the Earl needed Allen to have something else to think about and distract Allen from pressing back the Noah within him. (The KandaVsAlma and the pain of getting stabbed twice)
ALSO Allen said he's die before becomming anything else. Well, Kanda did that, didn't he? Allen has died and now he can become the 14th?

AND idk why the Earl wants to be with the 14th. In the end, they're Family. The Earl has the right to be cross with the 14th, but if they sat down and talked through it and the 14th just wanted more power over others, maybe they feel they can go back to 'normal'?

The Noah have memory damage and thus cannot hold/have an agender against the 14th - because they cant remember him. The Noah can only take the Earl's word on the 14th. So, while the Noah obey the Earl, They have nothing against the 14th.

ALARMINGLY---- did you notice that 197 said it was the septemeber issue? was it an early leak? does that mean no DGM in september???
I love the quality of DGM but i cant stand the waiittt!!! NOAH ALLEN COME FORTH!

Also, how will the 14th react (presuming Allen's dead and the 14th lives in his skin)??? will he use the ark and leave the battle for now - to fight later on his own terms? will he fight the Earl there and then? I have a feeling that Kanda and Alma will come to some mutal agreement to not fight then the 14th will butt in and somehow destroy that possibility. Tah! but if that happened, then that'd take a whole chapter or 3 and we wouldn't get any AllenAction/14th for aggess!
Sorry for the long post! I need someone to talk to about this also!

[nekoyakisoba]

im with rhode on this one.
well, one of the theories anyway.
it's true that the 14th has been trying to make his big appearance for a while now, but i think that would require allen to die.
'cause really, there's no way allen would stop fighting with the 14th unless... you know, there was no more allen.
which totally kills me. T-T i mean. . . allen can be a bit annoying sometimes, but he's the main character! they never die!
and if it's just the 14th using his body, he's still not really allen, eh?
i think, and honestly i'm kinda hoping that we have witnessed the death of a main character to make new for a new one.
it would be cool if my theory was correct just 'cause: how many times does the main character actually die in a manga? this is a rare occasion and should be appreciated no matter how much we all miss allen (and we will miss him dearly if my predictions prove correct).
so if allen makes it through this and is still allen, i'll honestly be pretty disappointed, 'cause this is the perfect way to add a one-of-a-kind twist to the story. 'w'
i crossing my fingers and hoping for the end of allen walker. bring on the 14th! >:3

<3 nekoyakisoba

[Rhode]

That's evil!!! Allen can't die entirely.
Ok, so what if Allen dies fornow, 14th takes over etc. But wouldn't thy be like an Alter?stuff could be done to bring back the other personality? Idk, but if we accept no more Allen for a while then he's got to cone back later.
O.0 a thought. What ifthe 14th is just about to kill the earl when Allen breaks back his consiousness? The order wouldn't trust him AT ALL and that'd be fun to watch.
I have a feeling Lavi/Ravi is going to pop up and his innocence might begin to change so he has to abandon the order/similar?

Didyou nottice??????
In the last chapter, standing behind (gah forgothis name, the catfish innocence one?), there's this woman really really similar to 'That Person'
what do you think?

[Llaimrid]

hmmm.. if allen's going to die,, well..i don't think i can take it anymore. hahha i want to see the 14th noah cause a lot of things is going to happen IF that happens.. if allen is stabbed by kanda with innocence wouldn't the 14th be affected too? Maybe it's just like the time when allen stabbed himself to kill the level four [i know you know what i mean] the 14th will also weaken. oooOOooh i hope that will happen cause i want the real allen to go back to the battle field and fight the noah.. i hope that something chaotic will happen like kanda [let's include alma] will be the one to stop allen when he becomes the 14th. then, the noah fighting the other exorcists will take the exorcists to the south africa branch so that they will witness on what will happen. then,,, BWAHAHAHa!! this is going to be fun!!,

[Rhode]

Teehee! That would be fun!

What dyou guys think is up with Lavi anyway? I have a feeling that well find out soon!! I think as part of the Bookmen, to not be killed by either side so they can record history, that they made a pact with the Earl ;DDDD I wonder what the Earl gains from such an occurance.

[Manda]

First I wanna say...That the Bookman are forbidden to choose sides based on personal agendas. They were put into place by some long ago force that determined that history needed be recorded no matter what the circumstances. There is no pact to protect them, I think this is pointed out in the arc where they enter the ark. Lavi should have rightfully been killed, if not for Allen's sudden awakening in the ways of the Noah. So, its truely everything goes. However, there is no real importance in killing the Bookman, since they are indifferent in the first place. So, they don't really get targeted.

The only reason Lavi and his sensei are Exorcists period, is because fate choose them to wield the Innocence. It has been stated several times by the old man that they are to record history, regardless of their personal standpoints.

Anyway, back to the original topic. Because chapter 199 really didn't answer many of our questions here, I'm going to throw in a few ideas before chapter 200 arrives! [Is counting down the days....w00t]

Allen obviously didn't die, which is a beautiful thing because the story would have ended. No, I don't think Nea would have taken his place, it would have been a quick and gory end more then likely. Either that, or he would of just been treated like an all new Allen, fighting the Earl with different powers. Boring. One of a kind twist? Well, not really...Since I saw this in R.G.Veda. Anyway...

Allen, in a way, went through a story changing twist here that is going to greatly effect the agreesiveness of the Earls advances. Now that he knows that can lure out the 14th, he will be trying harder, and harder to try and get him back. This is going to be key with Allen, since this is going to become harder and harder to struggle against.

Given that the 14th did swap sides, and take the side of humanity, gives us a hint of foreshadowing as to what is going to happen. While in the past he has chosen to hide from the Noah because he knows what they are truely capable of, and what their true intent is, I think having been forced out in their presence is going to greatly alter his existance within Allen, and his ties to the storyline. I also think, that we may get more answers now that he has surfaced, even if he was subdued. He does not want to return the Noah, obviously, so I doubt that any side changing is in order.

Also, given the 2nd, and 3rd exorcist projects, I doubt that Allen will be removed from the Order. They need him, just as much as they have had need for the Womb, and splicing Akuma and humans. This will work to their advantage, taking away the enemies advantage by using their own weapons against them. This is classic military tactic when you are out classed with tech. Because of this simple human action, weapons technology has become extremely advanced, and is bound to keep evolving.

I'm not saying that the Order wont keep a cat's eyes on Allen, or that he won't be told that he is being tested. I don't think he ever did, they just wanted him supervised for two reasons. To make sure he is not leaning towards betraying them, and two, to see what he is actually capable of so that they can plan and make good use of his powers and abilities. Look at the ark!

I have very little doubt that Allen is going to start rebelling against both sides now. He already showed this when he released Kanda and Alma to their own custody to let them settle their own matters on their own terms, with noones interference. [By the way, you do realise that if Kanda and Alma don't die together which I theorize is what happened when they left considering the discussions that were had prior and the way their bodies were reacting, that they are a gay couple? This is like... Blasphemy. It would be along the same lines as what Suman did, and probably end in them becoming Fallen ones. I make this assumption since the Order is run by the Pope, and the Pope is Catholic. Catholic's believe that gay love is a sin against God, and punishable in hell. So it makes sence that this would probably travel along the same path.]

Anyway, I think this is going to be the beginning of the end for D.Grayman. Not only has the Noah of Destruction been realised, but Allen is now fighting both sides in order to save them. GO DARTH VADER! Balance the force! If you get my refference. Remember, there must be equal chaos to equal order, etc. When this balance is offset, and one side gains the upper hand in order to eradicate the other side, a war ensues. This struggle can only end when both sides are destroyed, the good and bad. And yes, Allen is part of this. I wouldn't cry is Allen died this way, since he is saving humanity with his sacrifice, and all together saving life in general.

Theres no definate that this go that way, but it seems to be the logical answer, and the best conclusion I can draw from the events that have already transpired.

The Noah are going to go all out now, and I can't wait to see who they plan to use in their little scheme next. Kanda was chosen because he had destroyed and killed Skin. They wanted revenge [the Earl mentioned this]. Alma and he were perfect distractions, and easy to lure Allen out with.

Now, Allen would not die from a slice of the Innocence blade. Do you remember back when Allen was fighting the whacked out Tiki? The only reason Allen was harmed period, is because the 14th resides within him. Which, I think this was the only reason that Kanda was intended to stab Allen [And yes, I believe that this was supposed to happen as per the Earl's grand plan]. In order to jolt the 14th out of hiding, he would have to give him a rude awakening. What better then a stab through his host with a Noah seeking weapon of death? -Winks.- Sounds like a devious little plight to me.

Also, I don't think that it would be possible for Nea to take over Allen's body, if the body were harmed. Look at Skin. The Noah release more and more of themselves according to how much protection they need. The more powerful the opponant, the more of their true selves they need to manifest. This is typical avatar behavior. If the possesing spirit became attached to the body before birth, then it cannot exist without the body. Therefore, when the body dies, it dies. Which tells me that the Noah essences, or so I will call them, entered the body around the same time that they "Awakened" or sometime after birth. Which means, that they will live on to posses another body in the future [or their supposed Reincarnation. What a hint the name "Exorcist" was for this theory. Think about it, they can be expelled from the body with the "Innocence" by an "Exorcist". It almost slaps you in the face!]

Anyway, if Allen were to die, Nea would need to find another host. So Allen will not be killed until the 14th's role is fulfilled, if they decide to kill him off during the series.

[KidWicked13]

Okay...

Lavi shows pretty obvious signs of being conflicted with his role as an Exorcist and his Bookman duties. I mean Road tortures him by showing all of his dead comrades trying to kill him and begging to know why he stood aside and let them die. He may have originally joined the Order to record history, but he's grown to think of himself as an Exorcist.

Of course Yu and Alma have romantic overtones. Alma is the woman that Kanda loves and has been seeking for 18 years. Or he has her soul in any event. I mean, when Allen sees the soul within Alma, she (the soul) begs him not to say anything because she'd be devastated if Kanda realized that she was Alma now...


Allen isn't a host or doesn't have any implanted memories; he is the 14th, just dormant. Look at the facts. The implanted theory comes to us from Cross and the Order. The Order doesn't fully understand Innocence, a substance they've been working with and researching for decades if not centuries. So I'll take their "expertise" with a grain of salt. And Cross is a badass and an amazing character. But he also cheats, lies, steals, etc...I love him, but he doesn't seem the most trustworthy person. Then there's the fact that the Earl tells Allen the implanted memory thing is a lie and that Allen is the 14th, not a host. I know what you're thinking. "He's the bad guy and he'll lie" right? Thing is, he's actually very honest. He hasn't really said anything that I can think of that's an outright lie. "But wait! He tricks people into ripping their loved one's souls out of Heaven and kills them!" right? But he doesn't lie. Everything he says is literally true. He promises to bring the dead person back, which he does. He just leaves out the part where they're now a slave to the Earl's will and will proceed to murder the one who took the deal and wear their skin.

The 14th is not on the Order's side. He refers to both Allen (and presumably the entire Order by extension) and the Earl as mad puppets and chides them both for not seeing things clearly. So while he wants the Earl dead, he doesn't seem to think much more of the Order either. And it makes sense. The Earl and the Order have been at war for as long as they both can remember (Hevlaska has been with the Order since the begining and things kinda imply she's very very old).

Innocence hurts Allen. Hell, his own Innocence hurts him when he impales himself and the Level 4 at the orphanage.

Just because the Order uses Allen doesn't mean they trust him. They do some pretty nasty things in the name of good, so it stands to reason they'd pull an "the enemy of my enemy" when the 14th defected so long as he doesn't oppose them and pose a threat. And what has Allen just done? Defied an explicit order to kill alma and declared that he isn't going to let either side keep him from doing what he feels is right.

And the title of Exorcist strikes me personally as referring more to the Akuma than the Noah. And the cube refers to Innocence users as Accomadators. Exorcist is the Order's label for its warriors. And as I've said before, they've had the Innocence around and available for study for what seems like a very long time and they know very little about it, so it is possible they misunderstand the nature of the Noah. As I've pointed out, the Earl doesn't lie about much, if anything. He does not say the Noah possess people. He says that the current humankind descended from the Noah clan and that everyone carries the Noah. Sometimes, a person is born with the memories and personality of a Noah inside them. Eventually, that Noah consciousness wakes up and the person awakens as a Noah. It's refered to as genetic memory (or the idea that a person carries the entire history of their genetic line encoded inside them) coupled with reincarnation.

But I do agree that Nea will not take over Allen. Granted it's for different reasons. I wanna point out the flashbacks of Skin's Awakening. From the evidence, we can see that he really doesn't change much after his memories awaken. He doesn't refer to himself as Wrath, but as Skin, the Wrath of the Noah. It reads more like a person with no memory of their past who has gone on and made new memories suddenly getting rid of their amnesia. They're not suddenly reverted to the old personality. They integrate the "new" memories into who they are. It changes them, sure, but they're fundamentally the same person.

And here's some food for thought: maybe the Noah only need to awaken their memories because they were damaged when the 14th betrayed them. Road survived the encounter so her memories are intact right? And what is her Noah name? Road. Which makes me think that before their memories were damaged, they were simply born knowing who they were. That there was no division between their "human selves" and their "Noah selves". I know it's just a theory, but I feel like it follows logic pretty well...