Heart theories

[Mina]

addenza you are really creative, you always come up with something else, doesn't your head hurt at all when it needs to think that way? xD
but i think what you said made sense too, you must be a genius at school^^
anyway right now i have my doubts if we can decide who is the one with the heart, because we don't have eneough informations and hoshino is creating a maze, it's a long way to find the truth

but right now i thik the most possible persons with the heart are Allen, Lavi, Lenalee and Kanda, (I know all main characters)
Allen because he might be the one to destroy the earl (that's what bookman once said)
Lenalee because her Innocence also has a own will, (and the Earl wanted to take her, but i think he gave up)
Lavi because he has a seal that nobody knows what it might be, i doubt even lavi knows what it is, and also he is a bokkman it would be great if he would be interfering with history
and Kanda because his Innocence also seems kind of special to me (I mean it isn't a parasite type but it still takes the life energy of its owner, that is suspicious)

[addenza]

addenza you are really creative, you always come up with something else, doesn't your head hurt at all when it needs to think that way? xD
but i think what you said made sense too, you must be a genius at school^^
anyway right now i have my doubts if we can decide who is the one with the heart, because we don't have eneough informations and hoshino is creating a maze, it's a long way to find the truth

but right now i thik the most possible persons with the heart are Allen, Lavi, Lenalee and Kanda, (I know all main characters)
Allen because he might be the one to destroy the earl (that's what bookman once said)
Lenalee because her Innocence also has a own will, (and the Earl wanted to take her, but i think he gave up)
Lavi because he has a seal that nobody knows what it might be, i doubt even lavi knows what it is, and also he is a bokkman it would be great if he would be interfering with history
and Kanda because his Innocence also seems kind of special to me (I mean it isn't a parasite type but it still takes the life energy of its owner, that is suspicious)

Oh, that's a good point about Kanda... I didn't think of his innocence that way before... XD I was too focused on Allen and Lenalee (but more of Allen).

Haha, I get scolded by my mom for not doing homework and thinking too much about D. Gray.. =D

Speaking of which, after reading your post, I've got a new theory again... ><
Cause they said that this was a holy war between the Vatican and the Earl, which is something like a battle between the two sides who believe in their gods... And (forgive me if I'm wrong) God loves everyone equally, even the evil ones, right? And Allen loves everyone equally too (except for the Earl)... Is there any connection? That since God is very powerful, then Allen would be something like the messenger of God (other than being an Apostle) who would be granted stronger powers to be able to stop the evil. Or if you'll allow me to be more ridiculous, he's like God himself who has descended on Earth once again to save the people from their suffering by the hands of the Earl. Being so, Allen would be given the Heart. And since he has the 14th's memories within him, it would mean that he's more equipped than anyone else to be able to protect the Heart cause he can use his powers as the 14th (who is against the Earl too) when he can't use his innocence.

I'm not sure if I'd said this before, but remember that time when the Level Four attacked the HQ and Lenalee's head was being stepped on so she couldn't get to her innocence at all? She prayed to God that she wanted the innocence and Allen appeared to save her from the Level Four.. Does that count for anything?

Though it's said that there could be a dummy Heart, but I still think that only a person with sufficient abilities can wield it.
And Allen's innocence was born with him, wasn't it?

(Oh no, I'm veering towards the theory: Allen has the Heart!! XD And I'm losing track of what I'm saying.. >< )

[Orpheus 2]

In other words, Allen is like Jesus Christ? If so, he will also die for everyone on earth with the Earl. Well, Allen does fit the bill for being a martyr. All he needs is too have someone he trusted to betray him after the Earl has been defeated. The reason is maybe that Allen wanted it so in order to truly eliminate all of the evils of the Earl including the Noahs. It is only fitting since he is technically a Noah.

[addenza]

Yep, that was my point. So Allen would be able to wield the Heart. (:

[Colliwog]

I don't know if I have all the facts straight because I'm still really new to the series, but I'll try to contribute. ^ ^;

As much as part of me doesn't want to support the theory that Allen has the Heart simply because it'd be too ovbious, that sort of thing is always one of the roles of the main character, haha. As was stated, the Earl said that the one who has the Heart has awakened and is in hiding. That fits the description of the 14th, doesn't it? The 14 is beginning to awaken inside of Allen, but hasn't fully appeared yet; and will perhaps try to stay that way until the right moment. The 14th has been coming out more and more though; if he's able to control that, perhaps he's wanting to start making Allen aware of his presence within him. To get him slowly used to it; all at once and Allen might completely freak out and the 14th losing any hope of gaining trust. The 14th is against the Earl as well and may be needing the Exorcists' help. He seems to be friends with General Cross too. Cross knows something and isn't telling. Perhaps the 14th is waiting til the Exorcists come to know more about his (the 14th's) past and his intentions, til he feels they will believe he's on their side.
If this is the case though, why is Cross hiding information? Was something agreed upon that he can't release until a certain time?

Then again, it was stated that the 14th's memories are "eating away" at Allen, and it could simply be that that's why he's starting to appear more; that the 14th isn't controlling his gradual appearance within Allen. I don't know x___X;;

I'm not necessarily saying that the 14th has the Heart, but perhaps knows something about it, and it has to do with Allen.

Please correct and details I've gotten wrong! I started thinking into it so much that I lost where I was going with it. ^ ^;;

[addenza]

I don't know if I have all the facts straight because I'm still really new to the series, but I'll try to contribute. ^ ^;

As much as part of me doesn't want to support the theory that Allen has the Heart simply because it'd be too ovbious, that sort of thing is always one of the roles of the main character, haha. As was stated, the Earl said that the one who has the Heart has awakened and is in hiding. That fits the description of the 14th, doesn't it? The 14 is beginning to awaken inside of Allen, but hasn't fully appeared yet; and will perhaps try to stay that way until the right moment. The 14th has been coming out more and more though; if he's able to control that, perhaps he's wanting to start making Allen aware of his presence within him. To get him slowly used to it; all at once and Allen might completely freak out and the 14th losing any hope of gaining trust. The 14th is against the Earl as well and may be needing the Exorcists' help. He seems to be friends with General Cross too. Cross knows something and isn't telling. Perhaps the 14th is waiting til the Exorcists come to know more about his (the 14th's) past and his intentions, til he feels they will believe he's on their side.
If this is the case though, why is Cross hiding information? Was something agreed upon that he can't release until a certain time?

Then again, it was stated that the 14th's memories are "eating away" at Allen, and it could simply be that that's why he's starting to appear more; that the 14th isn't controlling his gradual appearance within Allen. I don't know x___X;;

I'm not necessarily saying that the 14th has the Heart, but perhaps knows something about it, and it has to do with Allen.

Please correct and details I've gotten wrong! I started thinking into it so much that I lost where I was going with it. ^ ^;;

Heehee, actually, I was thinking along the lines of "the 14th put the Heart into Allen's left arm". Cause there's actually no real proof that Allen was born with innocence - it was just there for as long as he could remember it, and the innocence actually looked like it was pushed into his arm rather than him being born with it. We could even see the innocence glowing! So perhaps Allen's memories were wiped/changed by the 14th when the 14th gave him the Heart? How would Allen remember that he was abandoned by his parents anyway? He might just had been an orphan when he was just born and the 14th, seeing him, inserted the Heart into Allen's arm.

Oh no, it's starting to sound kind of weird, right? Sorry if that didn't make sense. ><

[Orpheus 2]

If this is the case though, why is Cross hiding information? Was something agreed upon that he can't release until a certain time?

The reason: Fanatical, narrow-minded, self-righteous,hypocritical zealots like that Hitler wannabe. Obviously guys like him would be impossible to convince that a Noah is on their side in terms of defeating the Earl. To them, Noah, akuma or anyone who sides with the Earl even though he has defected. They see themselves as pure while anything else as impure. It's better to reveal the information when they finally see that everything is not simply black and white.

[Lorelei_Alyssa]

I think the whole 'Heart' thing could be an ideal and possibly not just an actual piece of Innocence. For instance, destroying the Heart would destroy all Innocence, but what if the Heart is really just the faith in God. If all the Exorcists lost hope (unlikely I know) and became Fallen, then the Noah would easily be able to destroy the Innocence they left behind.

I suppose Allen could be the Innocence in that respect, since everybody seems to think that he will be the one to destroy the Earl. I can imagine the Black Order thinking along the lines of 'If Allen can't do it, then who can?'

[addenza]

I suppose Allen could be the Innocence in that respect, since everybody seems to think that he will be the one to destroy the Earl. I can imagine the Black Order thinking along the lines of 'If Allen can't do it, then who can?'

Yeah, most of the members of the Order seem to trust Allen... (Wait, I meant, the exorcists and scientists and maybe Link.) Anyway, even though Link was supposed to be keeping an eye on Allen in case the 14th appears and wants to slaughter everyone in the Order, he somehow came to believe in Allen's abilities. Remember in the Timothy arc when Allen and Kanda were fighting the Level 4, Link was thinking along the lines of "Can't you do it, Walker?" I think the main reason is that Allen seems to give off an aura that makes people believe in him.

Oops. I'm kind of going off-topic. Hmm, in the case of Allen being the innocence, it might be true. After all, he's the one with the most faith in everything (not to mention that he can even love the akuma and Noahs, though not the Earl).

[Zuzi]

I think it's Allen..The second time when he fought Tyki (in the ark) and when he used his sword the first time, at the same time hevlaska was telling komui that the heart has awakened..But I'm not sure...it could be Lenalee too..
But I don't think it's Kanda...his innocense is special but Komui and the others know that and i think they know why...