Mana's curse?

[KidWicked13]

Okay, obviously it's special. I mean, at the veeeeeerrrrrrry start of the series, Yu and the door talk about other cursed people, but the Order is adamant that the only person that they've ever seen with an eye like Allen's is Allen.

Then there's the part where Allen's eye evolves whilst fighting Eliade. The creepy skull thing that comes out of Allen's face and talks to hime? WTF is that?

Any thoughts, commetns, etc?

[Manda]

Definition of a Curse:
noun

1. A denunciation invoking a wish or threat of evil or injury.
2. A cause of suffering or harm.

verb

1. To invoke evil or injury upon.
2. To bring great harm or suffering to.
[Source Answers.com]

(v. t.) To bring great evil upon; to be the cause of serious harm or unhappiness to; to furnish with that which will be a cause of deep trouble; to afflict or injure grievously; to harass or torment.
(v. t.) The cause of great harm, evil, or misfortune; that which brings evil or severe affliction; torment.
(v. t.) An invocation of, or prayer for, harm or injury; malediction.
(v. t.) To call upon divine or supernatural power to send injury upon; to imprecate evil upon; to execrate.
(v. t.) Evil pronounced or invoked upon another, solemnly, or in passion; subjection to, or sentence of, divine condemnation.

In this sense, Allen's curse was a gift from God to Mana, whose soul was ripped from Heaven by the Earl to be tortured and forced to do his will. Because Allen had done this evil to Mana, God granted this wish so that Allen would forever remember, and be haunted by the the horrible deed he had infact done.

If you remember, Lavi once commented that Allen's curse was a gift, and that he wished he had that same ability so that he did not have to live everyday in fear. Allen replied that is was horrible, and that he would not wish this curse on anyone. To walk through the streets everyday, witnessing the deep wound of pain inflicted on these poor innocent souls would be torture, and would serve the purpose of Mana's intent. Allen would never forget the evil he had done to Mana.

So in other words, Allen's cursed eye is a divine punishment.

As for the skull, that was Mana. The soul that mutters the curse, shall be tied to that curse until the curse's life has been depleted, or it has been healed [Sometimes eternity]. Because Mana is tied to this curse, and his love for Allen will forever be strong, then this curse will also adjust to the situation to protect Allen. This is Mana's will. [Hence the whole evolution shpeel].

When the BRO stated that they knew of cursed people, this could be tied to MANY subjects. Including the Fallen Ones. This could of also been refference to the letter that Cross had sent regarding Allen prior to his arrival. This could also reffer to the experiments that had been conducted on other exorcists. They did not fully understand Allen's curse period, which tends to lean me toward the side of them not really knowing/or having heard of a curse like Allen's before period.

The fact that they had said they had heard of cursed people before could also be superstitious in nature. Curses are known to be the cause of bad luck, and ill fortune. Letting someone enter who is cursed, could bring the BRO bad luck, which in their situation could be a life or death situation. So this is also a very valid reason for fear.

[Serene]

Mana's Curse is the only thing keeping Allen sane from the 14th. I find that Mana's Curse is also a way to keep Allen sane with his Innocence, because the curse helped Allen when he lost his arm. Mana's words helped Allen remember the akumas. I think the curse was useful, but it also pained Allen when he woke up at night whenever his eye was searching vividly for an akuma. And it pained him when he saw a Level 4 for the very first time.

[Sinamon]

i've been thinking a lot about this recently. when the skull returns to allen during the whole vampire's castle arc and he's about to be killed by eliade, the skull says, "i have returned, the darkness has returned to you." the skull with the "D" on it is most likely mana since he caused the curse and is tied to it. but what does that make allen. when you look at his eye when it has been wounded by rhode's candle, it looks like that of an akuma. allen seems to be inhabited by mana, or even mana's soul. it makes me think that allen functions similar to an akuma even if might not technically be one (this is just stream of thought). maybe even a "living" akuma. that would be interesting to me -- if allen was an akuma but not like the the rest...he's still alive and human even though he carries the soul of another within him as well.

though he hasn't discovered it yet, allen has been implanted with the 14th's memories and so he also inhabits allen. the 14th and mana are together within allen. what a creepy little family. but it's what keeps allen going, regardless of whether it's for good or ill. just some things to chew on.

[Rhode]

hmm... i have to agree with a lot of your theories... the D on the skull... I always believed that the skull was Mana (because Allen had that weird conversation with the guy in a top hat, and Allen believed that he was talking to Mana/his memory of Mana [like people who talk into the air and believe their dead relatives can hear them ...pft XD])... But what does the D stand for? Darkness? Or is it the 14th's Noah name? (not Neah... like Tyki's is Joyd or maybe I'm getting the Noah and Noah names wrong..)...

So if the Skull was Neah... And Allen was talking to Neah in his mind, when he thought it was Mana... Does Mana really exist like Sinamon suggested, like an Akuma with a soul tied to the physical body? Why would Allen not see Mana in the mirror (or something!?!)

I think the Skull was Neah, and Neah was telling Allen to go deeper into Mana's curse, to be able to get that upgraded eye...

I dont know why Neah would do that... but I dont know much about Neah at the moment.. It could be one of the earliest signs of Allen being 'influenced' by Neah?

And I do kinda object to having 3 souls in Allen.. Because theres Red-personality, Allen-personality, Neah and Mana, and probably more to discover at that rate... And Kanda/Alma was hard enough...

[Serene]

[QUOTE=Rhode;5182]I think the Skull was Neah, and Neah was telling Allen to go deeper into Mana's curse, to be able to get that upgraded eye...

I think that if this ^ is true, then Neah probably wants Allen to figure out about the Millennium Earls' akuma existences. Because the Millennium Earl said that he wouldn't like the Exorcists to find out what would happen with the evolution of the akumas.

[Rhode]

We can only know for sure when we learn what the 14th is after. It's quite likely that Neah wants Allen to understand the true purpose of both sides of the war, and perhaps to show Allen the path that Neah desires, hoping that Allen will agree. This would be rather uneventful for them to agree in such a way....
Perhaps the 14th wants to show Allen how bad the Earl is/akumas are/humans are/the order is, in the hope that he can use this to influence Allen... Thats a bit more likely that letting Allen decide to do what the 14th wants, although it might equate to the same thing...

We cant say that the skull WAS Mana, until we know it's not the 14th. We cant say that Mana isn't attached to Allen, like a soul to an Akuma, until we know the true purpose of the Akuma... We need to know a lot more before we can say it's this, or that.

....not long till 206... i hope... -.-

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eeeh, the skull being a skull isnt helping!! The Noah have those weird skull guys in suits... or jackets... who are called Skulls... so we ought to rename the skull for this debate, else I'll get really confused!!

[Sinamon]

We cant say that the skull WAS Mana, until we know it's not the 14th. We cant say that Mana isn't attached to Allen, like a soul to an Akuma, until we know the true purpose of the Akuma... We need to know a lot more before we can say it's this, or that.

i think we can say with 99% certainty that the skull is mana or at least mana's curse incarnated....because at least in the anime, the skull's voice is mana's voice.

[Rhode]

hmm... There you go again, foiling my theories... XD

I dont watch Anime with the sound most of the time (it gets a bit repetitive with the sound effects/makes me jumpy because of how the sounds are cut, then plonked into the show).

... so Mana, if he's the skull, is consious enough to talk to Allen/or at least, his curse is aware of Allen's disire... or Allen's surroundings...
This is odd... Allen is Allen... Crown clown is aware aswell.. His eye was able to evolve, so it's got some level of consiousness/purpose?.. Mana is perhaps the consiousness of the Skull/soul that gives Allen's eye the energy to activate (like akumas use the soul to fuel them)... AND the 14th is in Allen too... WAAAAY too much!!! Cant it be simplified by one or two twists in the plot?

XD

[Mikki Walker]

because at least in the anime, the skull's voice is mana's voice.

But that's the anime. In the manga, it can still be something different because there are no voices. It never said in the manga "this sounds like Mana".