Is It Possible To Defeat The Earl?

**HermyStar** · 08-30-2011, 06:51 PM

Today I was thinking about the nature of the battle against the Earl. I don't think it's possible to ever kill the Earl. Mainly because the Earl is technically a Noah. If someone ever kills him, wouldn't he just come back? Wasn't he "defeated" once before, and has returned already? It's possible that the war is never ending. Does anyone agree?

**Sinamon** · 09-01-2011, 10:45 AM

you are right in that the earl had once been "defeated" before, when the old generals (or whatever the manga called them) first discovered the innocence and put it to use against the earl. and the earl being a noah, however he was "destroyed," was just able to return, albeit a century later. if the current order and exorcists tried to fight him and the other noah the same way, then yes, i believe the results will be the same...the earl and the noah would just come back (like a weed) later.

however, i am guessing that this time around, at least what hoshino is trying to portray, is a different side of the war, as she had cross say. something has to be done differently this time around if the earl and the noah are to be PERMANENTLY defeated. i think that is what hoshino is trying to chronicle here. so what's different this time around as opposed to a century ago?

the 14th.

he is the difference. now there's a noah that has turned against the earl and wants to actually kill him (to what end, we don't know...so far, it's so that he himself could become the earl but who knows?). not only is the 14th the new condition during this era's war against the earl, but also allen walker. we are being led to believe that there could be something about him that could add a new variable to the war and defeat the earl with finality.

my personal theory is that the 14th in combination with allen walker is the key to defeating the earl for good. before it was just exorcists and they only temporarily stopped the earl. then the 14th tried to kill him on his own and failed. but the allenx14th combo might just be the what's needed to really do away with the earl and the other noah somehow. this "other side of the war" is, in my opinion, the key to the earl's ultimate downfall. add in the "heart" into the mix and you have the solution to the pesky noah probiem :-)

**HermyStar** · 09-03-2011, 10:44 AM

I guess that never really crossed my mind. But how would the Fourteenth, a noah himself, somehow stop Noahs from coming back?

**Melixa** · 09-04-2011, 03:40 PM

I think Sinamon answers that in a way, because obviously with the Fourteenths revival in an innocence user may make a huge difference. Also Cross placed a lot of trust in the Fourteenth, so it is possible that they know something that could defeat the Earl for good. It's only a theory though. ^^

**kalla** · 10-10-2011, 05:46 PM

I think another thing that must be asked...what causes the Noah to be reborn? Is it just random or is there a larger plan behind it? How much do we truly know about the Noah and their purpose or the Earl's true purpose? Defeat may not look like what we think...and oftentimes in war it's difficult to discern "winner" or "loser." Just some food for thought...

I do agree with Sinamon however, the difference is the Fourteenth and Allen, as well as the Heart. Things are moving differently than before from what we can tell from Bookman's comments. But again, even with Bookman much remains clouded in obscurity and we are left to guess.

**Melixa** · 10-12-2011, 12:09 PM

Well we definitely know that the Earl is wanting to destroy all the innocence. (At least that is what we are lead to presume.) Maybe there might be some key behind the Noah's rebirth. But as you find out in Allen's case the previous Noah chooses a host that will grow to have their memories and eventually kill the host and the Noah will be there instead. I think there's nothing big behind it. Just a method the Noah have of staying alive.

Hope that helps a little. ^^

**kalla** · 10-12-2011, 05:38 PM

I think that is a big point in the plot though...will the Noah overtake Allen or will he remain himself despite the Noah's presence. I understand your point, I just disagree. I don't feel we know enough to make a judgement one way or the other. We don't know if all the Noah can choose the host.

Yes, the Earl wants to destroy the innocence, but why? What is his hatred of it? It is designed to defeat Akuma but not Noah. Most people would just find something else to do other than create Akuma in my opinion, so my focus is on the intent and purpose behind the obvious actions.

**Melixa** · 10-13-2011, 06:24 AM

You've got a good point. Thee is a lot of thing that can happen. Like whether Allen will remain as himself or not. And I think that the Author wants to keep us guessing about the Earls hatred for the innocence. There may be something big behind it all and there could be a special reason for making Akuma. I suppose we just don't know enough to take a stab at it.

Also i'm not trying to say that you are wrong about anything. ^^ For all I know I could be the one that doesn't have a clue.

**TunaSFX** · 10-19-2011, 07:14 AM

Hmm....but the 14th wants to truly kill the Millenium Earl so that he could become the millenium earl himself. But wouldn't that they would have to defeat the person who defeated the earl? (possibly Allen/14th)

And I think that the Author wants to keep us guessing about the Earls hatred for the innocence. There may be something big behind it all and there could be a special reason for making Akuma.

I agree with your statement there, there truly is many things they haven't explained that could contribute to the result of this war.
I think we can make a better conclusion, when we find out more about the 14th.

**Sinamon** · 10-19-2011, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by TunaSFX

Hmm....but the 14th wants to truly kill the Millenium Earl so that he could become the millenium earl himself. But wouldn't that they would have to defeat the person who defeated the earl? (possibly Allen/14th)

I agree with your statement there, there truly is many things they haven't explained that could contribute to the result of this war.
I think we can make a better conclusion, when we find out more about the 14th.

ah, but the thing is that we don't know what the 14th's intentions are if/when he takes over as the new earl. just because he wants to take over that position, doesn't mean he wants to do the same thing as the current earl (i.e. destroy the world). we will have to see what his goals are....