why do the Eral have the same sowrd as allen?

[azuraai]

I agree with what Manda said about why Allen's and The Earls sword look alike... It's a sound theory...
But I also want to say that I don't think the Earl is one of the 13 Noah's since there are actual 13... 1 of the Noah's represent 2 of them and Skin Bolic has to be reborn again after Kanda killed him... or that's what I understood from the manga chapter about the Noah Family...

[Manda]

Every Noah is a reincarnation, except for a few. The Earl, as it was shown in one of the later chapters, is infact the 1st Noah. He is the head, and father of the family and made in the eyes of Noah himself. Remember, most of the characters and or associations in D.Grayman are based on the bible, and various religious beliefs. It makes you re think things, and in this instance...Who would you really believe was the side of good? Especially after the 2nd exorcist project, but thats another debate!

Anyway, if you remember back, Rhode is refered to as a first child. Meaning that she is an original incarnation of the Noah of dreams. The others are in various levels of carnations, such as the Dali Lama. They can be killed, but its not easy, and without the entire family, the Earl aparently cannot follow through with his plans.

Also, if you remember back to when Skin was destroyed by Kanda (Which kind of makes me wonder, why did Skin not come back with the exorcists during the muscian's song? Hmm.... Loop hole?) They took us back into the birth of Skin Borac as we then knew him. These people were not born Noah, but reincarnated with memories of these past lives. The would then Approach them and convince them to follow him before the could fall into the hands of the exorcists. Hmm..Makes you wonder.

[Llaimrid]

At least 10, I'm guessing... Or if you have enough time, you can try counting the number of names in Cell Roron's cell... But you've to exclude the ones who died, though.. XD

@Remorse: So Cross decided to get Allen to repay his debts in exchange for taking care of Mana?! XD Sorry. Random thought. ><

haha if that's so, then poor allen)

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When the musician's song was played allen acted on his thoughts and feelings. He wished to the ark to bring his friends back. well,strictly speaking, skin Boric "isn't" really his friend right? and maybe because skin's human body was already dead and destroyed.

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OOOooohhh, it's very long but i read it alright. you might have been right about that theory because allen's innocence is a clown and a clown copies. but allen is the fourteenth and the fourteenth is a betrayed noah because of what he did to the ark but there maybe other reasons as well.[well, i support the fourteenth for what he did to the ark]the 14th might have felt that same feeling of wanting to save people like allen. the 14th might have noticed that because of the earl's doing, mana is affected and i suppose that the 14th loved mana that much that he would betray the earl.the earl must have killed mana and the fourteenth is already inside allen. allen is the fourteenth ever since he was born. so he should be really destined to fight the earl just like what hevlaska said to him.[i translated hev's prophecy hahah] So in the chapter 1?? the fourteenth said that he wanted to be the earl it maybe because he wanted to stop the war with his own hands. in order to do that, the 14th shall make a bad reputation of himself and to show that he is the greatest evil yet pure like allen. that's why his innocence form is a clown as to hide it's true purpose yet mimicking.
aww!! this is my first post for a theory!! it looks stupid...XP there's something i wanted to add here. i'm sure of that info but it's hard to explain it into words let alone to write it..haha.. sorry if it contradicts...

[KidWicked13]

I think that the Innocence was intended to punish the Earl, who at one point was God's Chosen, but then strayed. I mean, the cube was found/given by God at a point where the Earl had already risen to power and amassed an army of demons.

And seeing as I personally believe that Allen/the 14th posseses/is the Heart, it would make sense-to me anyway-that he would manifest his power in a deicidedly ironic and inverted form of the person intended to be punished...

[Manda]

I think that the Earl did kill Mana, and that Nea did love and trust Mana. However, Mana was just a regular human man, and while he had obviously been given Nea's powers to pass onto Allen, I don't think that he had any involvement in the 14th originally defecting. You see, that happened quite some time ago, and Manas conception probably was not even in the consideration of the universe yet o.O. Anyway, it is my firm belief that the 14th trusts humans more then the Noah, and that he will more then likely cooperate more easily with them, then the Noah side. Something tends to tell me that Allen is going to go down this same road, and become an unallied force, not tied to the BRO or the Noah, but independantly trying to make a difference. This is up in the air. Hmm hmm hmm.

I don't think that the swords have anything to do with his destiny to face the Earl. However, I do believe that this destiny was preplanned, and fits nicely into another one of my theories. Innocence is destined to find a person before they are even concieved, and finds them when the time is right. As per Gods will ofcourse. So, saying that its Allen's destiny to fight the earl only goes to show that God is preplaning certian events in their lives. He has been laying them on a certian path since their birth's, all they have to do is react in the way God had intended them to. [In Alchemy, we learn that life wants us to pursue certian goals, and acquire certian deeds in our lives. Life does not tell us, but instead gives us omens, hints, and clues as to whether we on the right path. It rewards us when we go in the right direction with a smooth ride, and when we deviate, we get bad luck, or bad things happen. Bad omens.]

So anyway, I still have to think that my original theory is probably the most indicative in my mind. The White Clown of Augustine.... Is your answer. Figuring out what it means, is another story.

[Orpheus 2]

In essence, you may be right. It might be God's gambit to save humanity from destruction from both the Earl and themselves. He manipulated the events in order to create a messiah to do just that. In other words, Allen is destined to save humanity even at the cost of his own happiness and life.

[Manda]

I could not concur any more strongly Orpheus! Allen is definately the biggest tool of both sides that has emerged period. Given the CrownClown by God, and the powers over the Noah by Nea, he will be the deciding weapon for either side. However, I do not believe that Nea will allow him to defect to the side of the Noah. By far, I think since there is so much fuss over the 14th, he may be the most powerful of all the Noah, aside from the Earl. Possibly even perfectly matched power wise with the Earl. Hmm, something to ponder.

I have been lead to believe that Nea hates the Noah, and will do what need be to destroy them. One of the strongest pieces of evidence is his very presence in side of Allen. I absolutely do not think that this is coincidental. Do you think it was by chance that Mana found Allen, the little boy abandoned because of his deformed arm? Do you think it was coincidence that Cross found Allen only moments after Mana's death? What protected Allen from becoming a fallen when he created an akuma from Mana's soul? All these events create puzzle which pieces are slowly falling into place. In a series like D.Grayman I think you have to remember all these little hints. It may be countless chapters in the future that you realise their significance, but they are all significant.

I definately have come to believe that Gen Marion was connected to the 14th. I think this has been rather obvious. Because of this, I believe that this is why he took him on as his apprentice exorcists, regardless of his ways. This was all preplanned. Perhaps Nea had plans all along to infiltrate the BRO, for good or for bad. Its my belief so far, that he wishes to help humanity and extinguish the Noah, but perhaps I'm barking up the wrong tree. So far, I see no evidence to the contrary.

I still think the key to the Crown Clown is the very first thing the Earl said regarding him... The White Clown of Augustine. Hmm hmm hmm. Ive been pondering this for quite a long time. I have researched and researched, and found nothing on this. I have gone over, and over the history and life of St. Augustine. Nothing. What is the true nature of the White Clown? Could it be that Augustine was the former wielder of the CrownClown? His personality is strangely similar to that of Allen...

Maybe... Perhaps, from the Earls fear of it, the Crown Clown is the innocence that defeated him before? Not the heart! This could be the reason for the sword. The Earl has met this Innocence before... It knows how to react to him. It knows how to fight him.

[Gummie Marvz]

The White Clown of Augustine. Hmm hmm hmm. Ive been pondering this for quite a long time. I have researched and researched, and found nothing on this. I have gone over, and over the history and life of St. Augustine. Nothing. What is the true nature of the White Clown? Could it be that Augustine was the former wielder of the CrownClown? His personality is strangely similar to that of Allen...

I believe that Earl didn't said "White Clown of Augustine" the Earl said "The White Clown that chases after Auguste" he is comparing his relationship with Allen to that of the Whiteface Clown and the Auguste Clown where in this particular case, the Earl sees himself as the foolish Auguste and Allen as the serious Whiteface.

Heres the descriptive view of the two Clowns:

The whiteface clown:

The whiteface (or white clown) holds the highest status in the clown hierarchy and is the oldest of the clown archetypes. In modern times, when whitefaces perform with other clowns, they usually function as the straight man, "top banana" or the leader of the group. Whiteface clowns use "clown white" makeup to cover their entire face and neck, with none of the underlying flesh color showing. Features are then usually painted on in either red or black.


The auguste:

Accompanying the white clown there is often another clown variety known as an auguste or red clown; the auguste's role is different from that of the white clown. In strict classical European circuses of the past, the augustes were never described as clowns because, technically, they were not instigators but recipients of the comic doings. The augustes are the ones who get the pies in the face, are squirted with water, are knocked down on their backside, sit accidentally in wet paint, or have their pants ripped off.


Between the two clowns, their duo relies on the Manipulator/Victim or Leader/Follower relationship. While this might be due to the fact that Allen's innocence's new form really looks like the serious Whiteface Clown's costume and makeup, it could also be because Whiteface clowns are always going after the Auguste Clown - pretty much what Allen is doing in chasing after the Earl. The only difference is that while the Whiteface often does this to incur mischief and irritate the Auguste, Allen is doing so believing it is for the good of everyone.

[Crown_Clown]

You know i can't assure whether this point can ever be proven true, but what if a large chunk or perhaps all of them of the questions posed in d.gray man revolve around Mana and his quest for a certain reason for wanting to destroy the Earl, even when it meant greatly risking a boy's life who had nothing to do with it (in this case allen)???

[KidWicked13]

I think the whole whiteface-auguste clown thing is just the Earl's way of whining about how he feels Allen's constantly messing with the Noah's plans, and that the idea only really occurred to him because of Allen's Innocence's appearance...